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And many lands outside of England and Japan use school uniforms, too.
Lots of business suits here in Japan too. The US has gotten much more casual about suits in recent years. Japan is heading that way, too, though I suspect lots of guys will be in suits for many years to come. : )
Anyway, for casual readers of this site or the original site in question who might wonder about clothing in Japan, I just wanted to point out that jeans are very common here. Kimonos, on the other hand, are much more noteworthy and interesting, but worn quite infrequently, for those ladies who wear them at all.
(There are some interesting variances, of course: Women in traditional restaurants, or running traditional inns, etc., may wear a kimono nearly daily as a "business uniform"!)
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Hello again! A few in return:
Re credit cards: Well, you saw what you saw; I can't make any claim about the specific stores you visited. But just for the record, cards are accepted as a daily norm in large swaths of the retail sector. Quite possibly less so than in the US, but still very commonly.
A tangent: Over 20 years ago, I had a prof tell me that credit card usage was low in Japan – and would never become the norm because of "cultural differences" regarding "view of debt", and how it was "shameful to the Japanese" to have debt...
Credit card usage may have been quite low then, but I didn't believe his "cultural difference" explanation a bit; I figured that time, if anything, would mostly explain different levels of usage. And nowadays, what do we have in Japan? Not only credit cards accepted by retailers in general, and card offers coming in by mail and phone, but even public service announcements on TV to battle the growing problem of credit card users going in over their heads.
No one's saying this is a good change, of course. : /
Re toilet paper: If we did the research, I wouldn't be surprised if we found that public WCs without paper were more common here in Japan. But again, it's just a matter of wanting to set the record straight for readers: Many WCs here do have paper. Certainly in most retail establishments!
(As for tissue paper handed out at stations: One main use for it is simply as regular tissue paper. Blowing the nose, the kids' noses, and all that.)
While on the topic, one more tangent: Some writers on Japan love to play up the "everything is so spotless" meme, but for the record, I've seen public toilets here that would make a cockroach's skin crawl. Some involving... let's just call it 'collateral damage' from off-target 'bombs'. Sometimes cleaned up quickly, sometimes not...
And there are also plenty of nice, clean restrooms. Overall it's not bad!
Re writing things correctly: Yes, penmanship lessons in the US may stop with elementary school. But with block handwriting, stroke order/direction truly doesn't matter for the ABCs. (It would matter with cursive, but I'm not sure that you can fiddle with the stroke order/direction of cursive, other than the choice of when to dot i's and cross t's. Cursive is inherently restrictive.)
Writing lessons do continue past elementary school in Japan, as you say – but that's primarily because the characters still haven't all been taught! So we can't draw any conclusion on cross-cultural importance of proper strokes from a comparison of the number years of penmanship lessons.
The point remains: true, no one cares that you draw your English e's differently from other people, but no one even has a way of knowing how you draw them. Whereas when you "draw a box" in non-block handwriting in Chinese/Japanese, stroke order/direction does make a difference in the outcome. If you don't write the languages, please take my word for it (or ask others who write them).
A cultural difference in "desire to regulate" is arguably real; like anything, it needs to be proven. But before that, there's a simple practical difference that explains the "regulation", and it's easy to demonstrate on paper.
Re discrimination: I don't doubt that you read something that says Japanese who travel overseas face discrimination. (I wouldn't doubt that there's a book claiming the Japanese have six kidneys and breathe methane. : / )
But if your book does claim discrimination as you say, I'd like to ask its author for an explanation of the many Japanese students willingly studying abroad in the US and Europe, the company employees who take postings overseas or go to the US for MBAs, the countless tourists flocking to Hawaii and New York and Venice and... (Japanese are among the world's most active overseas tourists.)
In closing, all I can offer is my standard advice: be very, very wary of "understanding the Japanese" books; so many of them are so bad. Take any claim within as interesting possibility, but don't believe it until it's proven.
And the same, of course, applies to anything I say. : )
Thanks again for the comments! Come visit Japan for another eight days (or longer if you can!)
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My apologies in return for a slow reply. I've been in the US part of this month.
Some points:
Re "mixed" culture:
For example, according to "Insight Guides: Japan," "The average Japanese thinks nothing of marrying at a Shinto shrine, burying loved ones in a Buddhist cemetery, or boisterously celebrating Christmas. Although the devout Christian or Muslim -- each with a monotheistic god demanding unswerving fidelity, the typical Japanese sees no contradiction."
I expected there was a source for your thought here; I don't imagine that you're making things up! : ) My beef is precisely against many books with names like "Insight Guides: Japan", which I've found over long years to be often filled with goofiness. Not as part of some conspiracy to mislead, but simply by way of not thinking through things critically.
The above is a case in point: the "purity" of, say, Christianity is a myth. Take its holiest day, Christmas: Celebrating the birth of a Jew who added new teachings to traditional Jewish ones, it originated in pre-Christian winter solstice celebrations, borrows its date from an ancient Roman sun-worship festival, picked up Germanic and Scandinavian pagan elements like trees, wreaths, and "Yuletide", and is jam-packed with things like Santa and presents that have no connection to Christ/God whatsoever.
Mixing up religions, without contradiction, is the norm for humanity, and not some special Japan thing. (I know Christmas isn't labeled with multiple religion names, like Buddhism+Shinto, but placing labels over substance is exactly where such books go wrong. ...Ack, it's a big topic, more blog fodder for later! : )
Anyway, I certainly don't fault you for going by what supposed experts say. Lord knows how many misbeliefs about the world I hold, based on "expert" claims that I'm not in a position to debate!
Re Kaizen: Well, let me support your side here. I'm right when I say that "kaizen" in Japanese doesn't mean "continual improvement" or have any deep meaning whatsoever. But how about the newer English word "kaizen"? The word is now part of English – I assume first used by management guru types – and arguably has precisely the meaning you ascribed to it. So you can say you're right!
I'd just like to take the opportunity to let the world know that the Japanese word differs.
(Incidentally, I wonder, with tongue in cheek, how the word first came to English. Maybe in the same apocryphal way as "kangaroo". Like this:
American management guru: "Wow, the work you've done in this auto plant is amazing. Please, you must tell me, what is the Ancient Oriental Secret behind it all?"
Japanese factory guys: "Hmm? Nothing, really... just 'kaizen' – that is, we just make improvements when we see someth..."
Guru: "Astounding! I must tell the world of this mystical Asian 'Kye - Zen' philosophy! If only the Western world is ready for it! My book will prepare them - coming soon, only $29.99!"
Factory guys: <look at each other, scratch heads> )
Re "the Japanese" making the robot: I know, you're only using shorthand when you say that. It's no crime, and is common practice. But it's a shorthand that does impede understanding in the big picture, IMHO; so many people do read too much into such shorthand. (As in, "Hmm, 'the Japanese' made that robot, so 'the Japanese' must be adept at robot-building, so..." And it all goes downhill from there.)
My peeve is that saying "the Japanese built a robot" is no less silly – and I do mean not one iota less silly – than saying "Northern hemisperians built a robot..." or (if an all-male team) "males built a robot..." or "dark-haired people built a robot..." etc.
I'll just never fathom the world's obsession with filing human activity under the utterly unrelated labels of arbitrarily-drawn political entities. But that's just the orneriness talking. : )
Finally, your mention of "the next level" was a good choice of words. I know it's not a level you were aiming for, and isn't the focus of your blog, so I don't want to nitpick things. It's just the way the Internet goes: post something, and someone else may take that chance to run with the topic onto other tangents. Thanks for the opportunity!
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"Did I just happen to arrive during "wear a uniform to school week?"
I don't know about America, but in England and Japan we wear Uniforms to school. So the chances are if you see a school kid, He or She is gonna be wearing a uniform. Business suits? must of been working hours...Obviously.
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Hello again...as before, I'm just going to respond to a few of your points.
- Credit cards. My trip to Japan was in April 2008, so no, not 20 years ago. I spent 6 days in Kyoto, and 2 days in Tokyo. I suppose it's possible that some of the stores I visited do in fact accept credit cards, and I just didn't ask. But I didn't see any "we accept credit cards" signs other than at Kyoto Handicraft Center. Before going there, I asked my hosts how often I'd use cash vs. credit cards, and they said you have to use cash all the time, that they don't take credit cards anywhere (or checks, for that matter). A simple Google search shows that this isn't something I'm just making up.
- "Just started putting toilet paper in bathrooms"? Say what? There were, and no doubt still are, public toilets that expect you to bring your own, but for the most part, public toilets or those in an establishment will have TP. Again, I have to wonder what times and places the author is talking about. Maybe he chanced upon a restroom that'd just been "cleaned out" by a heavy user, and decided to label it a national issue. I don't get it."
Again, my trip was in April 2008. My source for this information is what my friends told me, They said that people used to have to carry tissues with them all the time, and that's why there are people on street corners handing them out. I didn't personally see any public toilets without toilet paper, but as you say, they still exist even today.
- "When I was a young'un in the US, we learned writing using that paper with the little lines indicating the baseline for letters, the height of capital letters, where a "t" stops, how far down the "y" dips, and so on. All very controlled and prescribed; penmanship sure wasn't a lesson in "do things your way". How is that any different from the Japan example given?"
The difference is that the penmanship requirements stop after grade school. No one cares that I draw my e's differently from other people. I used this as an example because drawing a box seems like such a minor thing to regulate.
- "Discrimination is a big topic, and books can and have been written about it. But the particular example given above is pure silliness. Traveling, studying, and working overseas are utterly mundane things in modern Japan, at least in the cities; outside of some oddball crowds, they will not get one ostracized."
I don't know what to say here. According to what I read (which I think was "Kata: The Key to Understanding and Dealing with the Japanese"), what I said is perfectly true.
- "At any typical moment, a good 99% of the people in view in Japan will be wearing jeans or business suits or dresses or some other form of what we'd call "normal Western" clothes."
I must have seen hundreds of kids wearing school uniforms. Did I just happen to arrive during "wear a uniform to school week?" And my point was about casual clothes, not "normal Western" clothes. Business suits would certainly count as non-casual.
- "But there has never been, as far as I know, a specific claim that Japanese can't digest American beef."
I got this from the book "Insight Guides: Japan."
- "So, back to the list item: Japan is "too proud" to accept imports, right? WRONG. Japan is a huge importer of goods from all over the world."
I do agree with this. I was just pointing out some weird things they have against some imports.
- "Hmm. I wanted to make this a more agreeable post than the last, but it's gone the other way."
And as with your other post, I have no problem with this one. This is perfectly reasonable criticism, and I appreciate your input.
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Sorry for the delay in approving your comment on my blog; I was out of town for a few days. I don't want to take the time to respond in detail to all of your points, but let me address a few of them:
- "Yes, the Japanese take in culture from the rest of the world and - as the culturologists always intone - "make it uniquely their own"... But here's the kicker: the rest of humanity does exactly the same thing."
To some extent that's true of course, but it seems more prevalent in Japan. For example, according to "Insight Guides: Japan,"
"The average Japanese thinks nothing of marrying at a Shinto shrine, burying loved ones in a Buddhist cemetery, or boisterously celebrating Christmas. Although the devout Christian or Muslim -- each with a monotheistic god demanding unswerving fidelity, the typical Japanese sees no contradiction."
- Your comments about kaizen go against a lot of the stuff I've read. I agree that the word literally means just improvement, but everything I've read has said that it carries a much deeper meaning. If your assertion is accurate, you might want to start by correcting the Wikipedia entry on kaizen.
- "And to address a particular brand of pet peeve that always plagues "culture" articles: there's that omnipresent abuse of the term "the Japanese". Sorry, but "the Japanese" did not build a robot that can play the trumpet. Toyota did. More specifically, some subset of Toyota employees did. The remaining 99.x% of "the Japanese" most emphatically, unmistakably did not build that robot. I'll never understand why people don't get that vital point."
I think everyone gets that point. It's like saying "the Americans dropped a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima." Which Americans? All of them? Of course not; only one American did. But people know what you mean when you say this.
- "I hope the disagreements don't come across as condescending toward the article's author. They're (mostly) minor objections, and I don't want to read unintended tone into the author's words."
Your comments are most welcome, and I don't mind them at all. You're right that some of what I said was tongue in cheek or simple shorthand. It really was just meant to point out some things I liked about Japan. Thank you for taking the discussion to the next level.


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