Hi there,Stumbled on the site from google, and just been going through - was pleasantly surprised to find you too have found and excoriated the guy who, regarding Japanese web design, chose a chopstick metaphor obviously influenced by the two restaurants in his town (he says he has never been to either China or Japan) and their arbitrary choice of chopstick producer. (Anecdotally, gathering from my travels I would actually say the usage trends are the exact opposite, but anyway...)I agree with much of what you say in this article and many others, however I feel at times you are guilty of what you accuse Ishihara of. Here you have just held up what he has said and called it ridiculous, without too much proof, or at least arm-chair sociologising, of your own. Perhaps it is because I have recently been reading some historical and sociological texts of my own, and have fallen for the very generalisms that I originally wanted to investigate and perhaps debunk, but I would agree with at least Ishihara's fourth point.Japan has quite a history of self-consciously adopting traditions and knowledge of other countries, which many places do, but the differing is that Japan constantly reminds itself of the foreignness of these things. I would cite for example the katakana-isation of foreign words, or the separation of food between 'washoku' and things that are definitely Japanese, but are still not accepted as being Japanese down to the soul, such as niku-jaga. Foreign things are then easy to take on and off, like the costumes of OLs at the weekend, something unimaginable for the proverbial American/British punk/goth/what have you of this common argument.This feeling of transience is especially noticeable with foreign things, but so too with most others, something taught by denial of the group over the self (causing the ability to adopt, at least at face value, whatever the majority consensus says one must) as well as the teachings of the Mahayana, especially the Zen branch, even more than Nichiren or Shingon, of the Buddhist tradition.The main problem with any of my pronouncements though is exactly what you have said - lack of evidence. However when one gets in to Humanities conversations, you cannot demand someone to back up every statement with 'as proved by Gibbs et al(1993)'. You may say that I have provided insufficient proof for my previous views, which I would still understand. However, repeating everything ever said on these subjects that I have ever read is again difficult. I have reached however, a slightly muddled and incoherent conclusion (to go with the incoherent and muddled rest of it I suppose :D ). The link is dead and I have not been able to read this article, so I cannot even claim to have any detailed knowledge to defend Ishihara, even if I am perhaps defending something he just stumbled on, through logic that I disagree with or just regurgitation of hysterical nihonjin-ron authors.I apologise for the length of this comment, but now that I've started I might as well get out my last thoughts.1. As easy as it is to say, I wouldn't expect "falsifiability of the hypotheses, open access to methodology and data, and reproducibility of results" of sociology or history (especially of intellectual concepts) 2. In cases where it IS possible, please try to follow what you tell others to. Saying "People making austere, elegant pieces of traditional artwork… and people making gaudy, cluttered web sites… are generally not the same people" isn't exactly providing public statistics. Also, this doesn't explain the fundamental question of why Westerners would have good design, since the same skill distinctions could be said about people outside Japan. 3. Re: "the silly delusion that a shared affiliation with a political entity (“country”) among multiple individuals should mystically create a shared sense of (among other things) aesthetics". Do you really believe this? That no communities, 'imagined' (pace Anderson) or not seems to me instantly false - can one really say that Australian aboriginal art pieces share no objective commonalities with each other, never mind differences relative to say classical Japanese art? Even if one were to explain aesthetic similarities to the work of specific communities to purely practical factors such as availability of certain materials or similarity of experience, it seems to me blatantly obvious that art according to ideological, political, or cultural factors, whether a conscious decision or not, shapes each community differently.I again apologise for this long and quite rambling comment, and also for the implication that I have not enjoyed your writing. I tend to harp on about negative things, belying the true character of my overall sentiments. I also recognise that it is not always worth one's time to back up all one's criticisms when arguing with somebody, especially when that somebody is Ishihara.
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New words, and new uses of old words, appearing on this site:
Culturology
For lack of a better word, "culturology" is what I label a particular brand of fascination with, and practice of, "cross-cultural comparison". (Suggestions for a better name are welcome!)
Not cultural comparison as it can be in theory: an objective, even interesting, examination of different cultures. Rather, I use "culturology" to mean cultural comparison as it too often appears in practice: subjective and unscientific nonsense, with a good story taking precedence over facts.
Or, for a pithier definition: Culturology is the dogged effort to dig up and exhibit "cultural differences" whether they exist or not.
Culturologists
The uncritical practitioners of culturology, whether academics, writers, or just general fans of "cultural difference" tales not hampered by critical examination.
Japanology
This has a general meaning of "the study of things Japanese"; here I use it to mean culturology as applied to Japan. It's closely tied to Nihonjinron, with all negative connotations intact.
Japanologist
The uncritical believers – Japanese or otherwise – of elements of Japanology.
Japander
With a friendly nod to Japander.com, which has long applied the word to the commercial appearances of Hollywood stars in Japan, I use the verb in a way closer to the original "pander": to Japander is to tell the Japanologists the silliness they love to hear. "I think Japanese developed as the world's most complex language, thanks to Japan's unique four seasons" – that's Japandering.
Traveler's Law #1
"Any exposition pointing out 'cultural contrasts' must contain at least one bit of unsupported silliness."
Traveler's Law #2
"Any statement beginning with 'the Japanese' (or 'the French', 'Ghanaians', 'Asians', 'Westerners', whatever) is 99% certain to be a dumb statement."
words in quotes
Words like "Westerner" and "the East" may appear in quotes to emphasize their inherent silliness. A claim that "the Japanese" are baffled by some "Western mindset" regarding a "cultural difference" that doesn't even exist, is deserving of all those mocking quotes.
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Hi there,Stumbled on the site
Hi there,Stumbled on the site from google, and just been going through - was pleasantly surprised to find you too have found and excoriated the guy who, regarding Japanese web design, chose a chopstick metaphor obviously influenced by the two restaurants in his town (he says he has never been to either China or Japan) and their arbitrary choice of chopstick producer. (Anecdotally, gathering from my travels I would actually say the usage trends are the exact opposite, but anyway...)I agree with much of what you say in this article and many others, however I feel at times you are guilty of what you accuse Ishihara of. Here you have just held up what he has said and called it ridiculous, without too much proof, or at least arm-chair sociologising, of your own. Perhaps it is because I have recently been reading some historical and sociological texts of my own, and have fallen for the very generalisms that I originally wanted to investigate and perhaps debunk, but I would agree with at least Ishihara's fourth point.Japan has quite a history of self-consciously adopting traditions and knowledge of other countries, which many places do, but the differing is that Japan constantly reminds itself of the foreignness of these things. I would cite for example the katakana-isation of foreign words, or the separation of food between 'washoku' and things that are definitely Japanese, but are still not accepted as being Japanese down to the soul, such as niku-jaga. Foreign things are then easy to take on and off, like the costumes of OLs at the weekend, something unimaginable for the proverbial American/British punk/goth/what have you of this common argument.This feeling of transience is especially noticeable with foreign things, but so too with most others, something taught by denial of the group over the self (causing the ability to adopt, at least at face value, whatever the majority consensus says one must) as well as the teachings of the Mahayana, especially the Zen branch, even more than Nichiren or Shingon, of the Buddhist tradition.The main problem with any of my pronouncements though is exactly what you have said - lack of evidence. However when one gets in to Humanities conversations, you cannot demand someone to back up every statement with 'as proved by Gibbs et al(1993)'. You may say that I have provided insufficient proof for my previous views, which I would still understand. However, repeating everything ever said on these subjects that I have ever read is again difficult. I have reached however, a slightly muddled and incoherent conclusion (to go with the incoherent and muddled rest of it I suppose :D ). The link is dead and I have not been able to read this article, so I cannot even claim to have any detailed knowledge to defend Ishihara, even if I am perhaps defending something he just stumbled on, through logic that I disagree with or just regurgitation of hysterical nihonjin-ron authors.I apologise for the length of this comment, but now that I've started I might as well get out my last thoughts.1. As easy as it is to say, I wouldn't expect "falsifiability of the hypotheses, open access to methodology and data, and reproducibility of results" of sociology or history (especially of intellectual concepts) 2. In cases where it IS possible, please try to follow what you tell others to. Saying "People making austere, elegant pieces of traditional artwork… and people making gaudy, cluttered web sites… are generally not the same people" isn't exactly providing public statistics. Also, this doesn't explain the fundamental question of why Westerners would have good design, since the same skill distinctions could be said about people outside Japan. 3. Re: "the silly delusion that a shared affiliation with a political entity (“country”) among multiple individuals should mystically create a shared sense of (among other things) aesthetics". Do you really believe this? That no communities, 'imagined' (pace Anderson) or not seems to me instantly false - can one really say that Australian aboriginal art pieces share no objective commonalities with each other, never mind differences relative to say classical Japanese art? Even if one were to explain aesthetic similarities to the work of specific communities to purely practical factors such as availability of certain materials or similarity of experience, it seems to me blatantly obvious that art according to ideological, political, or cultural factors, whether a conscious decision or not, shapes each community differently.I again apologise for this long and quite rambling comment, and also for the implication that I have not enjoyed your writing. I tend to harp on about negative things, belying the true character of my overall sentiments. I also recognise that it is not always worth one's time to back up all one's criticisms when arguing with somebody, especially when that somebody is Ishihara.